Investigate Silent detection

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Investigate Silent detection

Post by jbmusic » 04 Jan 2019 09:36

Hi Fora members,

for the moment i am working on our new streaming server, and use PF.
I have made a scheduler, by using scripts, as well the overlay scripts for news, advertisement etc.
Now and than i have the situation that i get a notification that there is a silence detection
When i check the gobal log, i can not see a specific issue....
is there a other solution to check what is going on?

It's not on regular base...

Thursday: 00:59
Wednesday: 20:02
Friday: 20:59

Perhapse you can send me some suggestions where to search to solve this issue.
manny thanks in advance!

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Re: Investigate Silent detection

Post by jbmusic » 04 Jan 2019 10:45

Hi Bernd,

Thanks for your reply
It’s the silent detection as available in PF
Internet etc is okay ... seems to be something with the overlay player vs regular player...
For the moment I am abroad but when I am back I will post the log info

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Re: Investigate Silent detection

Post by jbmusic » 04 Jan 2019 16:27

Hi Bernd,

here with a detail report from the global log wednesday 20.00
-------
2019-01-02 20:04:30, "woensdag2000 @ 2-1-2019 20:02:30", "van de Beek draait door (DJ Show)", "woensdag2000 [woensdag2000.pfs]"
2019-01-02 20:04:30, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\LOZ vormgeving\dagdeel\Goeieavond LOZ FM.mp3", "Lokale Omroep Zeewolde", "Goeieavond LOZ FM", "", "", "0", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "132.921", "2019-01-02 20:04:29", 7.236, 7
2019-01-02 20:04:37, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\programma\woensdag\woensdag2000.mp3", "", "rommelenschommelshow_1e_uur", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "132.818", "2019-01-02 20:04:37", 3608.990, 3608
2019-01-02 21:04:33, 2
-------- end

The overlay scheduler starts at xx.59.40 with news..
could i find somewhere a file where i can see the played time from each file etc (playlist including overlay)

grtz
jan

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Re: Investigate Silent detection

Post by radio42 » 04 Jan 2019 16:33

The global log will contain all played entries, if enabled and not specific ones are excluded. This also depends on the settings of the overlay what you logged AND when and where you used the EXEC_WRITE_GLOBAL_LOG. You can also look to the Overlay scheduler log!
I am not sure where the above log entries are coming from?!

However, as you only show entries starting at 20:02:30 - it of course doesn’t show the entries before, ie. The :59:40 ones.
So I am a bit wondering why you only showed this snippet?!

And when you have activated the "Keep Global Statistic Log" option in the general settings, section Logging/History, you can also use the 'ProppFrexx Statistics' application.

In any case, the log entries might not be 100% good to validate any silence, as it also depends on when your server app reports silence?!
E.g. if there is just a very small time of e.g. 1 second, where there is almost no sound (could also be just very quiet sound!) - this is not an issue, but as said could also be a false positive.
As such, and as said, you can activate the silence detection within ProppFrexx ONAIR. See the general settings, section Mixing/Fading for details about the silence detection!
And also validate how the silence detection of that server works - maybe this one is also wrong?!

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Re: Investigate Silent detection

Post by radio42 » 04 Jan 2019 20:20

The question is, where the problem is.
If your log doesn’t show anything there might be also other reasons, eg:
- the silence detection of that server is false
- your internet connect to the server breaks

As su h there are many reasons, where OroppFrexx is not the reason for your issue.
Have you excluded all these possibilities?
If yes, you can also activate the silence detection within ProppFrexx.
Note, that each mixer channel has a silence detection build in. You can use the mixers InSilence resp. OnNoise event to trigger any control-command, eg. to send out an email.
Is that what you are looking for?
If yes, ...To define/use them make sure you checked the ‘Enable Silence Detection’ option for the respective mixer channel (in its configuration dialog).

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Re: Investigate Silent detection

Post by radio42 » 04 Jan 2019 21:01

Yes, ProppFrexx also has a silence detection build in - as explained and mentioned above!

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Re: Investigate Silent detection

Post by jbmusic » 07 Jan 2019 09:48

Hi bernd,

Last night once again i had a notification of the silent detection.
the log files shows me:

2019-01-06 23:03:26, "avond2 @ 6-1-2019 23:02:30", "LOZ Nonstop (Regular Show)", "avond2 [avond2.pfs]"
2019-01-06 23:03:26, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\LOZ vormgeving\dagdeel\Goeieavond LOZ FM.mp3", "Lokale Omroep Zeewolde", "Goeieavond LOZ FM", "", "", "0", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "132.921", "2019-01-06 23:03:26", 7.236, 7
2019-01-06 23:03:33, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\00\Red Hot Chili Peppers - Desecration Smile (2007).mp3", "Red Hot Chili Peppers", "Desecration Smile (2007)", "Top 40 2007 Compleet", "", "2007", "Top 40 dossier", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "127.253", "2019-01-06 23:03:33", 296.273, 294
2019-01-06 23:08:27, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\90\Michael Jackson - Heal the world (1992).mp3", "Michael Jackson", "Heal the world (1992)", "Top 40 1992 Compleet", "", "1992", "Top40", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "146.674", "2019-01-06 23:08:27", 384.350, 384
2019-01-06 23:14:51, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\top 40\Ellie Goulding x Diplo & Swae Lee - Close to me.mp3", "Ellie Goulding x Diplo & Swae Lee", "Close to me", "Media Markt * Top 40 * 2018 * Week 47 *", "", "2018", "Top 40", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "144.041", "2019-01-06 23:14:51", 178.517, 177
2019-01-06 23:17:48, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\80\Howard Jones - No One Is To Blame.mp3", "Howard Jones", "No One Is To Blame", "The Best Of", "", "1993", "BritPop", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "154.991", "2019-01-06 23:17:48", 245.969, 243
2019-01-06 23:21:52, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\top 40\George Ezra - Shotgun.mp3", "George Ezra", "Shotgun", "Media Markt * Top 40 * 2018 * Week 47 *", "", "2018", "Top 40", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "115.864", "2019-01-06 23:21:52", 190.719, 184
2019-01-06 23:24:56, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\top 40\George Ezra - Shotgun.mp3", "George Ezra", "Shotgun", "Media Markt * Top 40 * 2018 * Week 47 *", "", "2018", "Top 40", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "115.864", "2019-01-06 23:24:56", 190.719, 184
2019-01-06 23:28:00, "TrackPlay", "Jingle", "D:\LOZ vormgeving\avond\Jingle 08 B fast - Short cut.mp3", "Jingle 08 B fast", "Short cut", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "135.138", "2019-01-06 23:28:00", 3.771, 3
2019-01-06 23:28:07, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\nederlandstalig\Polle Eduard - Ik Wil Jou.mp3", "Polle Eduard", "Ik Wil Jou", "Top 40 1979 Compleet", "", "1979", "Top 40", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "141.831", "2019-01-06 23:28:07", 201.646, 200
2019-01-06 23:31:28, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\top 40\Dean Lewis - Be alright.mp3", "Dean Lewis", "Be alright", "Media Markt * Top 40 * 2018 * Week 47 *", "", "2018", "Top 40", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "154.418", "2019-01-06 23:31:28", 189.676, 189
2019-01-06 23:34:36, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\70\Marshall Tucker Band - Heard It In A Love Song.mp3", "Marshall Tucker Band", "Heard It In A Love Song", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "154.196", "2019-01-06 23:34:36", 283.989, 280
2019-01-06 23:39:17, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\70\Smokie - Living Next Door To Alice.mp3", "Smokie", "Living Next Door To Alice", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "127.408", "2019-01-06 23:39:17", 203.268, 200
2019-01-06 23:42:37, "TrackPlay", "Jingle", "D:\LOZ vormgeving\avond\Jingle 07 A medium - Geluid dat Zeewolde graag hoort (basic).mp3", "Jingle 07 A medium", "Geluid dat Zeewolde graag hoort (basic)", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "134.999", "2019-01-06 23:42:37", 7.600, 7
2019-01-06 23:42:44, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\80\Limit - Say Yeah (1985).mp3", "Limit", "Say Yeah (1985)", "Top 40 1985 Compleet", "", "1985", "Top 40", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "125.395", "2019-01-06 23:42:43", 259.992, 256
2019-01-06 23:47:00, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\top 40\Billie Eilish - When the party's over.mp3", "Billie Eilish", "When the party's over", "Media Markt * Top 40 * 2018 * Week 47 *", "", "2018", "Top 40", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "158.482", "2019-01-06 23:47:00", 186.731, 184
2019-01-06 23:50:04, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\ballads\Vanessa Williams - Save The Best For Last.mp3", "Vanessa Williams", "Save The Best For Last", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "141.681", "2019-01-06 23:50:04", 216.429, 215
2019-01-06 23:53:39, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\70\Diesel - Down in the Silvermine.mp3", "Diesel", "Down in the Silvermine", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "115.753", "2019-01-06 23:53:39", 177.116, 174
2019-01-06 23:56:33, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\70\Rod McKuen - Friendly Sounds.mp3", "Rod Mckuen", "Friendly Sounds", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "159.513", "2019-01-06 23:56:33", 156.371, 156
2019-01-06 23:59:13, 18

-- the overlay log tells me:
6-1-2019 23:58:43: Overlay:LOZ nieuws, Command:News (Landelijk nieuws), Start:6-1-2019 23:59:40 processed

--- further i see in the global log the following: 20190106_nacht1 @ 7-1-2019 00-00-00.log

2019-01-06 23:59:20, "nacht1 @ 7-1-2019 00:00:00", "LOZ Non stop (Regular Show)", "nacht1 [nacht1.pfs]"
2019-01-06 23:59:20, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\ballads\The Moody Blues - Nights in white satin.mp3", "The Moody Blues", "Nights in white satin", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "157.014", "2019-01-06 23:59:20", 261.276, 261
2019-01-07 00:03:15, 1

--- as well: 20190107_nacht1 @ 7-1-2019 00-00-00.log
2019-01-07 00:03:15, "nacht1 @ 7-1-2019 00:00:00", "LOZ Non stop (Regular Show)", "nacht1 [nacht1.pfs]"
2019-01-07 00:03:15, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\80\George Benson - Lady Love Me (One More Time) (1983).mp3", "George Benson", "Lady Love Me (One More Time) (1983)", "Top 40 1983 Compleet", "", "1983", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "102.824", "2019-01-07 00:03:15", 233.559, 231
2019-01-07 00:07:06, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\00\Katja Schuurman - Lover Or Friend (2001).mp3", "Katja Schuurman", "Lover Or Friend (2001)", "Top 40 2001 Compleet", "", "2001", "Top 40", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "154.403", "2019-01-07 00:07:06", 231.009, 225
2019-01-07 00:10:51, "TrackPlay", "Jingle", "D:\LOZ vormgeving\nacht\Jingle 03 B slow - Short cut.mp3", "Jingle 03 B slow", "Short cut", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "159.739", "2019-01-07 00:10:51", 5.576, 5
2019-01-07 00:10:57, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\00\Amy Winehouse - Tears Dry.mp3", "Amy Winehouse", "Tears Dry", "Lioness Hidden Treasures", "", "2011", "Pop", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "84.940", "2019-01-07 00:10:57", 248.093, 248
2019-01-07 00:15:03, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\ballads\Marvin Gaye & Tammy Terrell - Your Precious Love.mp3", "Marvin Gaye & Tammy Terrell", "Your Precious Love", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "157.408", "2019-01-07 00:15:03", 178.080, 175
2019-01-07 00:17:59, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\ballads\Tom Helsen - Easy.mp3", "Tom Helsen", "Easy", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "159.513", "2019-01-07 00:17:59", 149.657, 147
2019-01-07 00:20:26, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\80\The Christians - Harvest For The World (1988).mp3", "The Christians", "Harvest For The World (1988)", "Top 40 1988 Compleet", "", "1988", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "130.603", "2019-01-07 00:20:26", 231.922, 229
2019-01-07 00:24:14, "TrackPlay", "Jingle", "D:\LOZ vormgeving\nacht\Jingle 07 A medium - Geluid dat Zeewolde graag hoort (basic).mp3", "Jingle 07 A medium", "Geluid dat Zeewolde graag hoort (basic)", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "134.999", "2019-01-07 00:24:14", 7.600, 7
2019-01-07 00:24:21, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\90\Cher - The Shoop Shoop Song.mp3", "Cher", "The Shoop Shoop Song", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "115.976", "2019-01-07 00:24:21", 165.108, 160
2019-01-07 00:27:01, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\90\De Gigantjes - Yaki Taki Oowah.mp3", "De Gigantjes", "Yaki Taki Oowah", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "129.730", "2019-01-07 00:27:01", 147.517, 144
2019-01-07 00:29:25, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\00\Duffy - Stepping Stone (2009).mp3", "Duffy", "Stepping Stone (2009)", "Top 40 2009 Compleet", "TM Century", "2009", "Top 40 dossier", "", "", "0", "b2k", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "98.521", "2019-01-07 00:29:25", 207.186, 204
2019-01-07 00:32:50, "TrackPlay", "Jingle", "D:\LOZ vormgeving\nacht\Jingle 08 C medium - Je hoort 't hier op 106.4 (basic morse).mp3", "Jingle 08 C medium", "Je hoort 't hier op 106.4 (basic morse)", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "134.989", "2019-01-07 00:32:50", 9.147, 8
2019-01-07 00:32:58, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\00\Whitney Houston & Enrique Iglesias - Could I Have This Kiss Forever (2000).mp3", "Whitney Houston & Enrique Iglesias", "Could I Have This Kiss Forever", "Top 40 2000 Compleet", "", "2000", "Top 40", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "109.237", "2019-01-07 00:32:58", 259.510, 257
2019-01-07 00:37:15, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\ballads\Volumia - Er is altijd een weg.mp3", "Volumia", "Er is altijd een weg", "De Vertedering", "Diverse artiesten", "2011", "Nederlandstalig", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "129.471", "2019-01-07 00:37:15", 244.805, 241
2019-01-07 00:41:16, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\00\JLS - Take a chance on me.mp3", "JLS", "Take a chance on me", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "120.032", "2019-01-07 00:41:16", 212.334, 212
2019-01-07 00:44:48, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\ballads\Janis Ian & Conny Vandenbos - Don't leave tonight.mp3", "Janis Ian & Conny Vandenbos", "Don't leave tonight", "30 jaar Candlelight CD3", "Various Artists", "1998", "Verzamel CD", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "158.254", "2019-01-07 00:44:48", 182.866, 178
2019-01-07 00:47:46, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\ballads\Olivia Newton John - Part of your World.mp3", "Olivia Newton John", "Part of your World", "Disney's Magical Tunes", "", "2003", "Pop", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "156.803", "2019-01-07 00:47:46", 198.156, 196
2019-01-07 00:51:03, "TrackPlay", "Jingle", "D:\LOZ vormgeving\nacht\Jingle 01 D medium - Muziek en informatie.mp3", "Jingle 01 D medium", "Muziek en informatie", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "130.027", "2019-01-07 00:51:03", 9.830, 9
2019-01-07 00:51:12, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\00\Bertolf - Another Day (2008).mp3", "Bertolf", "Another Day (2008)", "Top 40 2008 Compleet", "", "2008", "Top 40 dossier", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "154.012", "2019-01-07 00:51:12", 215.516, 213
2019-01-07 00:54:45, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\ballads\Elton John - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road.mp3", "Elton John", "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road", "The Very Best Of ... CD 1", "", "1990", "Pop", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "145.065", "2019-01-07 00:54:44", 192.130, 191
2019-01-07 00:57:55, "TrackPlay", "Music", "D:\muziek\ballads\Wet Wet Wet - This time (1989).mp3", "Wet Wet Wet", "This time (1989)", "", "", "", "Unknown", "", "", "0", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "", "119.317", "2019-01-07 00:57:55", 247.525, 242
2019-01-07 01:04:33, 21
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could there be the issue?

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Re: Investigate Silent detection

Post by jbmusic » 07 Jan 2019 17:39

Hi Bernd

As mentioned in my previous message this is the Pf silent detection which we are using.
I made a command for sending e-mail when silent as well on noise a second email message.

Once again it was at xx.59

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Re: Investigate Silent detection

Post by radio42 » 07 Jan 2019 18:00

And what are your silent detection parameters than?
For how long was silence detected?
And what dB value did you choose?

Maybe you simple didn’t set your cue-point properly, so that there was effectively silence playing at the end of a track?!

From your timing it seems, that it is the transition between your regular playlist and your overlay?!
How are your mixing settings are defined? And how is the overlay defined?
Maybe it is also your fist overlay track which starts with silence?

And via which mixer channel do you play the overlay? Vs. which mixer channel do you use for the playlist? And on which mixer channel have you setup the silence detection?
Maybe you get the detection, because the overlay plays via a different output?

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Re: Investigate Silent detection

Post by radio42 » 07 Jan 2019 20:35

Please see my initial posts - with these log file I can not see/tell anything nor find any silence, especially you are not even indicating the time. But even with a time given from your side (when exactly silence was detected) I couldn't tell you more, as the normal playlist log entries just show started playlist entries, but nothing more. And there is a starting track logged without any noticeable break in between.

I still don't know what silence detection you are using and how this is working!

Have you followed my advice and activate the silence detection in PF? And if yes, what result did you get?
Alternatively you can also record your mixer output channel, so see what is outputted/streamed.

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