Track inserts and downmix

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franksiegers
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Track inserts and downmix

Post by franksiegers » 23 Jul 2020 14:19

Hi Bernd,

I have a script template consisting of a track insert (that calls the track number, like "number 40!", "number 39!" etcetera) followed by a track. All inserts use "VO: End With Ramp of Next Track" or "VO: Start With CueIn or End With Ramp of Next Track".

Question 1: What is the expected behaviour of "VO: Start With CueIn or End With Ramp of Next Track"?

I use New > Playlist from script template to generate a new playlist.

Question 2: Only the first 3 entries are automatically inserted into the tracks. Those are the ones that are also loaded into a player. All other numbers are added as a separate track in the playlist, instead of being inserted into the tracks. Is this normal?

I now select all lines in the playlist and go to Selection > Save as MP3. Now some of the inserts are played through/past the ramp of the next track. Those inserts are stored as separate lines in the playlist. They are so short, that PFOA registers the playtime as 0 seconds.

Question 3: Are the inserts too short for PFOA to properly play them BEFORE the next ramp? Of could question 2 have something to do with this problem?

Thanks,

Frank

-- call Number 40! (loaded into a player, inserted into track 40)
---- play track 40
-- call Number 39! (loaded into a player, inserted into track 39)
---- play track 39
-- call Number 38! (loaded into a player, inserted into track 38)
---- play track 38
-- call Number 37! (not loaded into a player, not inserted into track 37, added as a separate 0 second entry into the playlist)
---- play track 37 (Ramp is defined. Ramp has sufficient time to play "call Number 37!" before ramp ends).

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Re: Track inserts and downmix

Post by radio42 » 23 Jul 2020 16:28

All VO_ inserts are by definition left in as individual tracks in the playlist - that’s how they differentiate from the other transitions not starting with VO_.

Q1: the behavior depends on the existence and location of the CueIn resp. Next cue-point of the next track. As said above, the VO_ forces the insert track to stay as an independent entry in the playlist. The Next cue-point of that insert track is aligned accordingly the its transition condition.
The length of the insert track as such is also put into consideration.
The expected behavior can thus not easily be described in one sentence.

Q2: yes, this is normal and as designed.
Insert transitions are resolved by the DJ Players when loaded, to allow last minute changes.

Q3: see my explanation above, as they always as individual tracks in the playlist, those tracks below 1sec. of length might fail their desired effect.

However, you might also try the transition which protects your Ramp cue-point of the next track.

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Re: Track inserts and downmix

Post by franksiegers » 24 Jul 2020 15:04

Hi Bernd,

Thanks for the explanation! There's one thing I still don't get: when using VO: Start With CueIn or End With Ramp of Next Track or Start With CueIn or End With Ramp of Next Track, it looks like the insert is always started at the CueIn of the next track. What would be the condition to have the insert End with the Ramp of the next track? Only when there's no CueIn?

I've made some changes to the insert using the Segue editor and then used Selection > Downmix > Save as MP3. This does not seem to use my Segue changes... Is that right?

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Re: Track inserts and downmix

Post by franksiegers » 31 Jul 2020 10:11

Hi Bernd,

I would like to be able to cue everything up using the Segue Editor and than store it (using downmix or another feature). Would this be possible? In my test the cue points I've set using the Segue Editor seemed to be ignored when downmixing and PFOA exported a MP3 with the 'default' cue points from the meta data. Could I change this?

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Re: Track inserts and downmix

Post by radio42 » 31 Jul 2020 10:29

Not here. As said before, you need to click on the ‚Apply Changes‘ button in the Segue Editor to save your changes made...
In all my tests all cue-points as honored as set even from the Segue-Editor.

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Re: Track inserts and downmix

Post by franksiegers » 10 Aug 2020 21:01

Hi Bernd,

Sorry, I missed the Apply Changes button. The cue points are now OK in the downmixed MP3.

The only problem I have now is that the track inserts are not actually inserted in the next track, but added as separate playlist entries. This means I need to manually insert them into the next track to be able to use them in the segue editor. Is there some way around this? One solution would be if I could have 3 stand alone tracks simultaneously in the segue editor to be able to move the inserts to the right location.

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Re: Track inserts and downmix

Post by radio42 » 10 Aug 2020 22:08

Yes.
All transitions starting with VO_... will be kept as a separate Playlist entry.
So you should use the non-VO_ ones instead which are real track inserts.

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